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Q: Where is non-ethanol gasoline available near Chicago?
Do you know of anywhere that they sell non-gasohol gasoline near Chicago? I hear that even the Stabil-ized stuff does not winter very well.
Please — answer only if you know. Your opinion (a opposed to a fact) only screws up this forum. I’m not asking for an opinion! Thanks.
A: To the best of my knowledge, and I supply gasoline to retailers in Chicago, the entire Chicago area is an RFG zone. RFG is reformulated gasoline and has 10% ethanol as an oxygenate to comply with EPA Clean Air Act guidelines.
You’ll have to get out of the metro area, out of Lake and Cook counties for sure, to even have a chance at non-ethanol gasoline, but I don’t know of any retailers not using ethanol as their oxygenate anymore.
I know you’re looking for sources, but I don’t think there are any left since 2006. Once the gov’t removed the protection from MTBE, all the majors switched over to ethanol and once we switched, the minor players would have to follow suit.
Q: Can a hybrid use electricity, ethanol, & non-ethanol gasoline?
A: check your manual
Q: Is there any non-ethanol gasoline brand?
Since ethanol is being blamed for damage to fuel pumps, injectors, and auto computers, we’d like to know where to find gasoline that contains none.
A: Yes, it was also my understanding that automobiles sold on the U.S. market (meaning that they conform to U.S. specs) will have no problem with gasoline blended to contain no more than 10% ethanol. Of course, E-85 engines can tolerate much higher percentages of ethanol.
As I interpret the ethanol notices on the pumps, I don’t necessarily think that your gasoline always contains 10% ethanol, but it can contain UP TO 10%. Based on my experiences up in the northeast, finding gasoline containing zero ethanol would appear to be nearly impossible. In other words, virtually all the fuel sold up in these parts seems to have at least SOME ethanol in the blend.
Also, my third link (below) refers to a U.S. Senate web page indicating that legislation has recently been enacted that will mandate the use of certain levels of ethanol by U.S. refineries. I imagine this will have the effect of making it even MORE difficult to find pure gasoline in the months and years ahead.
This link (http://www.iowacorn.org/ethanol/ethanol_3b.html) addresses many of the facts and myths pertaining to the use of gasoline blended with ethanol. Wikipedia also has a good article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel .
Q: Is non-ethanol gasoline available in north Florida?
A: Try this company its all that I could find…..
Harris Oil & AC
21901 US Highway 441
Mount Dora, FL 32757
(352) 383-2322
Q: Can a gasoline non ffv car run on more than 10% ethanol?
I have a Honda 1998 car. It can’t run on E85 alone. But all gas in Minnesota is 10% ethanol already. Can I add any more to that mixture without ruining my engine?
A: Be careful,Try 1/4 tank E85 to 3/4 tank reg. If you don’t here a pinging sound going up a hill then add more maybe 1/2 Keep close eye on millage If you here the pinging sound back off the thottle and run less It may not be worth your while Do’nt know till you try
Q: Why is table salt soluble in ethanol but not in gasoline?
I found that table salt is ionic, ethanol polar, and gasoline non-polar..but i don’t know if i am right and therefore i dont know what the answer to the question is….
please help me…
A: That is correct.
Salt is ionic for it to dissolve it will need to form ions in solution. As ethanol is polar it can form those ions a lot easier than in gasoline due to electrostatic interactions between the salt and ethanol. As gasoline is non-polar it does not have any of these electrostatic interactions and therefore will not dissolve.
Q: Hot air, politicians & Fuel prices: Can anyone explain why [non-corn] ethanol gets MORE mpg than gasoline?
Yes. It does. Engineers get stuck on “Energy Value” which just means “Heat” value.
Here we are paying $4/gallon to create “HEAT”?!!!! Why?!
The power, efficiency, torque and performance of compression engine are what matter! NOT the %@$%&*-in’ heat!
Before answering, please be sure you understand the importance of OCTANE value. Particularly of ETHANOL.
It wouldn’t hurt, either, to distinguish between the amount of energy needed to distill drinkable BOOZE and that needed to make FUEL-GRADE ethanol.
Lordy! I can not be-LIEVE the horse-apples-4-brains I see on here.
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Dane, DumDum: Where do I even start?!
There are toy airplanes powered by rubber bands. That doesn’t mean a rubber band would power a fighter jet, right?
Most cheesy car engines – from Kia to Bentley, GMC to Jaguar – are DESIGNED around fossil gasoline.
They are NOOOOOOOOOOOT optimized for N-Ething other than gasoline (aka: tar-snot).
The most basic re-engineering could optimize engines to run far better on ethanol (liquid sunshine) than gasoline (tar-snot).
And, Dane, you jumped straight into my li’l trap… HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Checkmate!
The notion that ethanol is 20% less effective applies to the parameters above.
Decades-old, obsolete (but still the norm), inefficient (for everything but gasoline), smelly (to anything with a nose) archaic engine-design! Heck, we might as well go back to the locomotive coal shnoot design and every car owner be required to hire a coal shoveler.
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Dane: Long story short, ethanol is really out of place in contraptions designed for tar-snot.
However, a high-compression, properly-timed engine designed for fuel with ONE HUNDRED SIXTEEN OCTANE [YEAH, BABY!!] can get more than twice as many miles on a single gallon as tar-sn*t.
In fact, so sensibly designed an engine wouldn’t permit tar-sn*t to pass through its system.
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A: YOU know I lthink lyou mentioned something like this when in Texas and when we werer deciding what we were going to tell the party to do. I am not sure if lyou are talking about the same stuff, not out of oil and gas wells, but the one they put in your care. Rmeember in the old days only the cheap indies sold it and that is why the gas was about 10% less and in the long run lyou got aobut 10% less milage and it equalled out. Not sure aobut water in tank or the extra wear and tear on you and your ride as lyou had to stop and get more gas 10% more of the time.
Now i rmemeber you stated a veryhigh octane. Ithink the diesel is hig because they are not watering it down with the ethanol. I could abe wrong, but with it taking 450 bushels to make gradable, drive 24 gallons of ethanol I think we should make opcorn and feed the world, even though they hate us.
oh yea could you give some supportive area I could take a look at this, I don’t doubt you, but think someone is telling you “an untruth” sorta like some of the pollticans. Hey I just bought five acres of land for $3 million and one is next to your apartments and i will sell you that acre for $200,000, sound like something else. Take care.
Q: Chemistry Help!! Why would ethanol (C2H5OH) dissolve in both gasoline and water?
Water is polar, gasoline is non-polar.
i think ethanol is polar too.
so why would it dissolve in both water AND gasoline?
A: Ethanol contains both polar and non-polar regions. Organic chemists might write the formula for ethanol as CH3–CH2–OH to emphasize the arrangement of atoms in the molecule. The first carbon shares a bond with three hydrogen atoms and the second carbon. The second carbon shares a bond with the first carbon, two hydrogens, and an oxygen. The C–C bonds and all of the C–H bonds are non-polar. The C–O bond is polar. The oxygen shares a bond with the second carbon and with a hydrogen. The O–H bond is even more polar than the C–O bond. Thus there is a highly polar region of the molecule and a non-polar region. This allows ethanol to dissolve in both polar and non-polar solvents, including water and gasoline (the main ingredient in gasoline is 2,2,4-trimethylpentane a.k.a. isooctane, a non-polar molecule with the formula C8H18).
Alcohols are molecules containing a polar –OH group on a hydrocarbon chain. In general, the longer the hydrocarbon portion of the molecule, the less soluble it is in water. Methanol (CH3–OH) and ethanol are highly soluble in water, but 1-octanol, with 8 carbons in a row and an –OH sticking off of one end is insoluble in water.
Q: Natural Gas and electic cars – how long before replacing oil/gasoline engines?
Since the first natural gas and alternative energy (non-ethanol, which is a wasteful fuel) powered automobiles were first used – how long will it be from today when we can say there are no more gasoline powered vehicles?
A: when people become more educated and understand that energy has to come from somewhere. Where’s the energy gonna come from for electric cars. The only source right now that is abundant enough is the burning of fossil fuels, so that alleviates no problem. Natural gas still gives off green house gas but it can be produced in small quantities from garbage, so once again it is a resource that has limited quantities. Same with hydrogen technology, you have to use energy to get the hydrogen, and like i said the only resource available enough to do that on a wide scale is fossil fuels. We can’t burn coal to produce hydrogen from hydrolysis. That doesn’t help anything, in fact it is worse because of energy transformation losses. We need to base our energy off of other energy as in solar, wind, nuclear, etc. first before we can think implement this technology on a wide scale
Right now we need to be concerned with what we have. Conventional engines are by far not as efficient as they should be. Smaller displacement, coupled with high compression, turbo’s, direct injection, diesel are tools we need to implement to save gas. Also hybrid technology is another useful efficiency tool we need to use. It uses the energy from the car slowing and can store it and then use it for forward motion later. Using these technologies we should be able to boost efficiencies close or over 50%
Q: Whats our obsession with Ethanol Gasoline?
We need to stop this non-sense. Corn prices are rising like there is no tomorrow. We use corn oil for cooking at home and yesterday i went to shop for the first time in few weeks, and the price of Corn Cooking Oil has increased dramatically. I used to buy a gallon for $6.50, now its $9.75. Its ridicilous! Corn is a staple in America, it is sad that we no longer be able to afford to eat corn. I guess 5 for $1 corns are out of question at the supermarket for this fourth of july. Ethanol has less gas mileage and it doesn’t work on older cars, and its raising the cost of food, so whats the point of making it? Is this all for tree huggers? If so, they can go to Canada or something, sooner or later we are going to be begging for food…stop the non-sense and lets get back to basics!
A: I agree with you completely. Ethanol is a huge scam, with no real upside to the American consumer. But the reason they keep pushing ethanol is POLITICS, pure and simple. It sounds good to voters when they talk about “helping the American Farmer” or “cutting our dependence on foreign oil”.
But I think some people at least are starting to wake up to the fact that ethanol is an expensive and inefficient alternative to gasoline, and turning our food supply in to fuel is costing them more at the grocery store too.
Q: Problems with E10 gasoline?
I have had to renew several fuel lines, and now have a non working (old) mower. Is it possibly due to using ethanol containing gasoline?
A: Yes. Try not to use it. Soon we will all be forced to use it by the environmental kooks who are in bed with Archer Daniels Midland.
Q: What does ethanol and its blends have over bio-diesel?
This is what I know: Ethanol and Bio-diesel (bio-fuels) are both generaly made from corn but most plant matter can be used. Also both pollute similairly to non bio-fuels. The main differences deal with production and the powerplant.
Ethanol is currently requires more energy to produce than it releases in combustion. It also is less efficent than regular gasoline produceng less horsepower in it engine and requiring additional fuel per mile. Engines desinged to run on E-85 are not as efficent as their conterparts. Diesel engines on the other hand readily use diesel or any blend of Bio-diesel from the factory. they are up to 40% more efficent than comparable gas engines and smell good when running biofuel. BioDiesel is energy effiecient to produce as well.
So why is ethanol the chosen biofuel? I would like to think that the extracost of diesel engines is not a major factor in this and that I am missing something. Otherwise “Live green; go yellow” is going to send up some red flags.
A: It is not superior. It is only receiving attention becuase of effective lobbying by corn producing farmers. They have been affecting domestic policy for centuries now.
Q: What good has congress done for us??
They have failed to get the troops home
They have let oil prices continue to go up and let us suffer and don’t care.
They passed mandates forcing many of us to buy gasoline with ethanol even when I prefer and have to use non ethanol in airplanes and boats.
They have let food prices spiral out of control and have failed to get a farm bill passed after 10 months.
I guess we need to suffer a lot more before the election.
A: Need someone willing to cooperate with them from the executive branch….All the vetoes don’t help….. OBAMA ‘08′!!!!!!
Q: added ethanol by mistake?
I have a 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe. The owners manual says its OK to use up to 10%ethanol in gasoline. I inadvertantly pumped 4 gallons o Ethanol before I saw my mistake. I then filled up with 87 octane regular–giving me 20%.The Hyundai dealer is non-committal.
Am I likely to have a problem if I fill up after using half a tank (bringing the percentage down to 10?
A: You’ll be alright. If your concerned top off with more gas after a bit to bring the percentage down a bit. Cars that are made to run on ethanol only differ slightly from regular cars. Its mostly material of the fuel lines.
Q: ethanol fuel?
im goin to convert a yamaha ybr125 engine so that it can run on alcohol or a blend of alco-gasoline. Ive got some questions on the alcohol fuel:
1) what type of ethanol can i buy from a store that can be used as a fuel? Where specifically in the uk can i buy 100% ethanol.
2)Ive read about denatured alcohol,and its about alcohol which is not safe for consumption cause it has been added some additives to improve its property(i think). Is it a good idea to use a non-pure alcohol and blend it with gasoline? (in safety aspect, performance and price if you could kindly elaborate)
3)if you look on the website, why is the price per liter of ethanol is way too expensive(~£20) compared with gasoline(~£1).
http://www.ethanol.co.uk/products2.html
A: I do not live in the UK so I do not know where you can purchase ethanol, but denatured ethanol is regulated, and only sold wholesale for fuel, and regular ethanol is regulated as food grade alchohol so it is too expensive.
Anything less that anhydrous ethanol would not be good to use as a fuel. Denatured anhydrous ethanol is actually denatured with gasoline, so it makes and excellent fuel, but again you have to purchase it from someone who sells fuel.
If you do find a source of fuel grade ethanol, or at least E85 fuel, I would increase the compression ration on your bike a little bit, up to 12:1. This increases the amount of energy that is used to drive the piston instead of being waste heat.
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