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Q: Will Dodge dealers Kill the Challenger the way the Ford dealers killed the Last Ford Thunderbird?
Rumor has it that the Chrysler Dodge Dealers are going to demand $5000.00 over the sticker for the new Challengers. I remember when the last Thunderbirds came out and I went to numerous Ford dealers and they wanted way, way more than the sticker. So I talked to other potential Buyers and the consensus was, “They’re not building cars for us they don’t want us to hve them, they are bldg. them for rich people. Well You see what happened to the t-Bird and look where Ford is now!

A: I think that the people who can afford it and want one badly enough to get one of the limited edition 2008 model (there are only 6400 for the U.S. and part of an 800 car series for Canada) that they will easily pay at least $5000 over sticker, and probably even more that $10000 over sticker just to get a car with a limited edition dash plaque. AT LEAST!!! Once the 2009s come out though, and they aren’t limited edition any more, i think that they’ll sell like any other car with normal mark-up, as there will be more of them than the 2008s, and they do not have limited edition dash-plaques.

Q: Why should people even care what the car of the year is?
I’ve been in the automotive trade for years as a mechanical/electrical tech and auto body tech. I find it hilarious that people even take note of what model car wins the Motor Trend Car of the Year. Hilarius because of Motor Trend has a bad track record of picking cars that fail mechanically faster and more often than many other models offered that year. I think all cars of the year should be a car that has been in production for 3 years with minimal changes over the three years, and picked based on mechanical track records as being reliable and well… strong and sturdy. The list below from 1980 on up to this year is mostly filled with cars that are now considered junk cars solely by their track record of early failures mechanically. I mean look at the list, Chrysler PT Cruiser, Dodge Caravan, Taurus, Renault Alliance,Chrysler K Cars,Chevrolet Citation, Volkswagen GTI ALL cars with very bad reputations now. Car of the year award seems to be based on radical ideas, styling, toys and features, all nice and all but what about it actually doing what people should expect from the “Car of the Year” and that’s not breaking down and costing lots of money just to keep it running.
Car of the Year
2011 Chevrolet Volt[10]
2010 Ford Fusion[11]
2009 Nissan GT-R
2008 Cadillac CTS (junk)
2007 Toyota Camry
2006 Honda Civic
2005 Chrysler 300 (junk)
2004 Toyota Prius (junk)
2003 Infiniti G35
2002 Ford Thunderbird
2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser (junk)
2000 Lincoln LS
1999 Chrysler 300M (junk)
1998 Chevrolet Corvette
1997 Chevrolet Malibu
1996 Dodge Caravan (junk)
1995 Chrysler Cirrus (junk)
1994 Ford Mustang
1993 Ford Probe GT (junk)
1992 Cadillac Seville Touring Sedan (junk)
1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ (junk)
1990 Lincoln Town Car
1989 Ford Thunderbird SC (junk)
1988 Pontiac Grand Prix (junk)
1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (junk)
1986 Ford Taurus LX (junk)
1985 Volkswagen GTI (junk)
1984 Chevrolet Corvette
1983 AMC / Renault Alliance (junk)
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
1981 Chrysler K Cars, Dodge Aries and Plymouth Reliant (junk)
1980 Chevrolet Citation (junk)
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Wrote: “Gee, my 2004 Prius has a cost of 12 cents per mile for dealer maintenance, tires, and fuel combined over the 115,000 miles I’ve driven it so far according to the logbook that I keep. It’s also fun to drive, holds four full-sized adults in comfort, and judging by the very high owner satisfaction rating, my experience is not alone.”

People like JerryJ never seize to amaze me in how they view their car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_nKD-jJLZU

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The Caprice was a short lived police car. Police forces experienced very weak suspensions with the Caprice. They has total and scary failures where the suspension dropped all the way and the wheels locked up in the wells. The Transmissions did not last nearly as long as the ol 727’s in the Dodge’s. If you think back the Caprices reign as the most used in the nations police force was short lived. The Crown Vic was the next to reign king and they still do today. Right now Dodge is trying to get a name for themselves in the Police car market but I am betting on that they will not live up to the expectations the police have for them. The next probable King of the police car is the Ford Taurus based ones that also come in a SUV form. Check out Jay Lenos Garage he just did a video on these new up coming models from Ford.

A: While I would agree with your idea of “junk” (falling apart rapidly) A) I don’t think it’s that consistent (why the ‘91 Caprice? Most popular police car in history!) and B) many of those cars listed were the bread and butter of the company making them. I mean look at the K car…it SAVED Chrysler.

Of course, making cars that sell tons but turn American consumers against them based on quality is not really a winning strategy, but hey, they did sell a ton of many of those vehicles.

Edit: going to disagree. The transmission GM used in the caprice is still being used in variant form today, was used in trucks, so it’s not weak. The suspension was the same design used from the 70’s, and there was no systemic failures.

Ford took over the market ONLY because GM discontinued the Caprice and hoped to foist FWD and SUV’s off to police agencies instead, and it backfired. Ford took the market and hasn’t had to look back since GM hasn’t had a serious RWD competitor yet. The Caprice was faster than the Ford to boot.

Q: Which cars of the past should be put back into production?
Recently automakers have been building retro cars like the VW Beetle, Dodge Challenger, PT Cruiser, Mustang, Chrysler 300, Fiat 500, Ford Thunderbird and Mini.
Additionally there are fiberglass replicas of prewar cars like the Model T, Model A, 41 Ford, and later cars like the 49 Mercury or 57 Chevy

I’d like to see new versions (as close to the originals as possible) of the following cars:
1959 Cadillac
Bullet-nose Studebaker Champion
1955 Ford
Morris Minor
Ford Capri

What would your 5 be?
Does an aerodynamic design really matter? I understand why it’s important for rally drivers, but not for ordinary people driving to work or the shops

A: Citroen DS
Mark 1 Toyota MR2
Rear Engined VW Beetle
Ford Capri

Q: What are today’s muscle cars? When I was growing up, they were:?
Ford Mustang – My personal fav – I had a purple painted Pony with white bucket seats – SWEET!!!

Pontiac GTO: The Great One – The one that started it all!

Buick Wildcat, Chevrolet Camaro, Chevrolet El Camino, Chevrolet Impala (giddyap, my 409), Chevrolet Monte Carlo, Chrysler 300, Dodge Challenger, Dodge Charger (General Lee), Dodge Daytona (200 MPH!), Ford Thunderbird, Mercury Cougar, Oldsmobile 442, Oldsmobile Toronado, Plymouth “Cuda, Plymouth GTX, Plymouth Road Runner, Plymouth Superbird, Pontiac Firebird, Pontiac Grand Prix…

The strict definition only includes intermediate size vehicles. In reality, performance oriented intermediate size vehicles didn’t appear until 1964. Before then, manufacturers took existing fullsize vehicles and added extra performance to them. Because of this, the early fullsize performance vehicles are generally considered muscle cars.

A: Well my favorite description of a Muscle Car is a fast car that a young person can afford! That’s why they made all of those cars, Mustangs, Chevelles,Cudas, etc. Back in the day a young person in the early 20’s could not afford a Corvette. Same thing today. The Mustang would be a modern muscle car. Id say under 30 grand. Some other cars with some potential would be a WRX, Evo (are they under 30?) SRT4 stopped ma-ken them though Fbody stopped them. Though I guess for under 30 grand you couldn’t get a modern GTO! Which is faster handles better, with even better mileage then the original. Its somthing to think about at least.

Q: What cars are out there?
I am looking to find out if any other car manufacturers made cars durig the 80’s-90’s that had some “umph”
Please leave out
5.0 Mustangs
Camaros
Thunderbird ( Turbo/Super Coupe)
Mitusbish Starion
Dodge Omni GLH
Dodge Shadow CSX
Chrysler Conquest TSI
Ford Taurus SHO

Anything other then mentioned would be appreciated

A: The legendary Toyota Supra!!! Twin turbocharged 3.0L engine. I’d say it had some “umph”! Also the RX7 and Mitsubishi 3000gt. Theres lots of cars out there! too many to list!!!

Q: Did you know that unions make crappy cars?
Just some info I thought I’d pass along. I just received my Annual Auto Issue of Consumer Reports. If you’re looking for a new car, here’s the latest.

Based on average reliability

In order from best to worst
Toyota
Honda
Scion
Acura
Lexus
Subaru
Hyundai
Infinity
Mitsubishi
Mercury
Mazda
the rest are considered below average reliability

Built by UAW members
CARS
Buick LeSabre
Buick Park Avenue
Cadillac CTS
Cadillac DeVille
Cadillac STS
Cadillac XLR
Chevrolet Cavalier*
Chevrolet Cobalt*
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet Malibu
Chevrolet Malibu Maxx
Chrysler Sebring
Dodge Neon
Dodge Stratus
Dodge Viper
Ford Five Hundred
Ford Focus*
Ford Freestyle
Ford GT
Ford Mustang
Ford Taurus
Ford Thunderbird
Lincoln LS
Lincoln Town Car
Mazda 6
Mercury Montego
Mercury Sable
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Mitsubishi Galant
Pontiac Bonneville
Pontiac G6
Pontiac Grand Am
Pontiac Solstice
Pontiac Sunfire*
Pontiac Vibe
Saturn ION
Saturn L300

PICKUP TRUCKS
Chevrolet Colorado
Chevrolet Silverado*
Chevrolet SSR
Dodge Dakota
Dodge Ram*
Ford F-series*
Ford Ranger
GMC Canyon
GMC Sierra*
Lincoln Mark LT
Mazda B-series

SUVs
Cadillac Escalade*
Cadillac SRX
Chevrolet Blazer
Chevrolet Suburban*
Chevrolet Tahoe
Chevrolet Trail Blazer EXT
Dodge Durango
Ford Escape/Escape Hybrid
Ford Excursion
Ford Expedition
Ford Explorer
Ford Explorer Sport Trac
GMC Envoy XL
GMC Envoy XUV
GMC Yukon/Denali
GMC Yukon XL*
Hummer H1
Hummer H2
Hummer H2 SUT
Isuzu Ascender (7-passenger)
Jeep® Grand Cherokee
Jeep® Liberty
Jeep® Wrangler
Lincoln Aviator
Lincoln Navigator
Mazda Tribute
Mercury Mariner
Mercury Mountaineer
Mitsubishi Endeavor
Saturn VUE
VANS
Buick Terraza
Chevrolet Astro
Chevrolet Express
Chevrolet Uplander
Chevrolet Venture
Chrysler Town & Country*
Dodge Caravan*/Grand Caravan*
Ford E-series
GMC Safari
GMC Savana
Pontiac Montana
Saturn Relay

A: I wasn’t aware of this, but actually Toyota and Honda have Labor Unions.. in Japan! It is only in their American plants that they try to prevent organized labor.

Q: Which car should I buy in the Cash for Clunkers program to get the most money?
I have a 1989 Ford Thunderbird I want to use for this program. Which make and model should I consider purchasing to get the biggest voucher amount? I am interested in a minivan or something that seats at least 7 or 8 passengers, but I am interested in finding out all my options. If I can get a bigger voucher amount for a truck or a small passenger car, then I’ll consider it. I’ve read the Chrysler is matching the CFC program and if I plan correctly, I can get up to $9,000. Is this correct?

A: First of all, did you check to make sure your car qualifies? You qualify only if its the supercharged model. Reg Thunderbird does not.

Secondly you must buy a car that gets at least 28MPG (combined) to get the $4500 voucher. At least 22MPG for $3500.

Toyota Prius gets 50MPG.

Q: what do you think of this car collection?
1) Cadillac type 53 (1916)
2) Cord 810 westchester (1936)
3) Buick super 56 convertible (1940)
4) Packard super 8 convertible (1940)
5) Humber super snipe (1946)
6) Lincoln continental convertible (1947)
7) Buick 70 roadmaster sedanet (1948)
8) Packard super 8 convertible victoria (1948)
9) Buick 70 roadmaster convertible (1949)
10) Chrysler Town & Country (1949)
11) Packard Custom Eight (1949)
12) Lincoln Capri Convertible (1952)
13) Aston Martin DB2 (1953)
14) Mercedes-Benz 300SL (1955)
15) Cadillac 75 Fleetwood Imperial (1956)
16) Ford Thunderbird (1956)
17) Mercedes-Benz 300Sc Roadster (1956)
18) Lincoln Continental Convertible (1961)
19) Mercedes-Benz 300d Cabriolet D (1961)
20) Rolls Royce Phantom V (1961)
21) Amphicar (1966)
22) Mercedes-Benz 600 Short Wheel-Base (1966)
23) Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3 (1968)
24) Rolls Royce Phantom V (1968)
25) Rolls Royce Silver Shadow (1968)
26) Mercedes-Benz 280SE 3.5 Cabriolet (1970)
27) Excalibur Series II (1971)
28) Mercedes-Benz 280 SEL 3.5 Armored (1972)
29) Panther Westwinds J72 convertible (1972)
30) Lincoln Continental Town Car (1973)
31) Aston Martin DBS AmV8 (1975)
32) Mercedes-Benz 450 SEL 6.9 (1975)
33) Mercedes-Benz 600 Long Wheel-Base (1975)
34) Ford Ltd (Royal Guards) (1977)
35) Panther De Ville (1978)
36) BMW M1 (1979)
37) Mercedes-Benz 450 SEL (1979)
38) Mercedes-Benz 500 SEL Armored (1983)
39) Aston Martin Lagonda (1984)
40) Land Rover Wood & Picket ‘Sheer Rover’ (1984)
41) Rolls Royce Silver Spur (1984)
42) Zimmer Golden Spirit (1985)
43) Mercedes-Benz 280GE 4×4 (1986)
44) Lotus Esprit Turbo HC (1987)
45) Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 Hill Climb (1988)
46) Ferrari F40 (1989)
47) Porsche 959 Twin Turbo 4×4 (1989)
48) AC Cobra (1990)
49) BMW Z1 (1991)
50) Ford Escort RS Rally Cosworth (1992)
51) Porsche 911 3.6 Turbo (1993)

which one do you think is the most rarest and expensive?
and there is also Mercedes_Benz C111 and a Bugatti Veyron

A: I don’t care either way. The wealthy do not impress me at all.

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